We live in this plane of existence with a lot of vague ideas of who we are and why we are here. This plane of reality is solid to us, the truth, but the only problem is that we must leave, all of us. We cannot stay here, we have to go one day. But the seer is not afraid of death, because it is just a simple change, most often a change of body. We may have noticed that our bodies change all the time. We go from babyhood to childhood to maturity to old age. Our body change drastically in this life. where is our baby body, our childhood body? It is gone, transformed as if we passed already from one body to another even in this life. So when we die we simply change body again and start over. It is very easy to understand. Actually you could say that death is just an illusion, that there is no death, only another change of body. But the soul, us, remains untouched. We have a gross body at the moment, then a mind, (a subtle body) and the soul is being carried out of the gross body by the mind, the subtle form. Then it enters another body in the womb of the mother and the new body starts to grow again. Whatever we have thought, felt, done produces the mind state at the time of death. The condition of the mind carries us to our next destination and depending on our consciousness we go to another destination, we get another body. The mind actually forms the next body...
But this repeated birth and death is not the constitution of the soul, because the soul is eternal, full of ecstasy and knowledge, we are not comfortable in this plane. It is called Mrityu Loka, the planet of death and because of our eternal nature this is not the place for us to try to become comfortable and happy.
Though it is still entirely possible to be comfortable & happy in human form, once the former of what you say is known & has become truth to the mind. Being human can then become a holiday of kinds.
A holiday for the soul who is eternal is not a place where everything is temporary. We are eternal by nature, and therefore full of anxiety when we know nothing here will last. We are here because we forgot our constitutional position, not really to enjoy life, even so we try...
Are you saying we are here as a punishment of sorts?
Are you saying we are here as a punishment of sorts?
We chose to be here. But like I said our nature is Sat, chit, ananda, and this world does not offer this. Why, because if it did we would stay here eternally. It is a kindness from Bhagavan, to let us have free choice, to be with Him or not. We can choose to love Him or not. But this plane is not too nice so we do not wish to stay here eternally. Consciousness means endowed with free will. Without free will no consciousness can be conceived. So, consciousness means free will. But because we are part and parcels of God we are very tiny, in this case consciousness means very meager free will. By the exercise of his free will the soul is asserting itself. It may go that side, or this side (Vaikhunda, the plane of dedication, and free from anxiety). Some going that side, some coming this side ( the material plane). Marginal plane. The free choice is the first action of coming into this side, the free choice - na kartritvam na karmani lokasya srjati prabhuh. Svabhava - The soul's very nature is already there, given in him is the potential to choose. As a result we see that some have taken their chance on this side, the material plane. Those souls did not accept submission, but wanted to dominate. And with this germinal idea of domination, the soul enters in the world of exploitation. And the consequence of exploitation is added to his free will, then that is the basis of all these developments in variegated nature. The original starting point is like that. And the reaction for exploitation comes. It captures him gradually.
It has been a long time since I turned my mind to such matters.
After reading this twice, I see your point & you are right.
Nothing to be added.
That was very interesting & quite knowledgeable thank you DS.
My belief is we don’t live one life but one long one as every life we live is only a different life drama that we want to experience. Also I feel we don’t come here to learn but to experience our knowing for we are all knowing/enlightened anyway.
I also believe that some of us have come here to enjoy this realm, not necessarily in a humanistic way but spiritually through our physical form. Human emotions are so variant in number & intensity they attraction entities far & wide & it’s this attraction that one can sometimes feel.
Thank you for sharing MN, i was unable to reply for days and weeks due to a 403 error which blocked the site completely. this is due to the site programmers not doing their job properly. Today I finally got to see the site. I appreciate your thoughts. However, our beliefs and feelings are better supported either by scriptures or a more advanced personality on the path. But it your prerogative to feel and think the way you wish and it is certainly very charming.
The mind actually forms the next body is interesting as I have never felt this but is obviously quite plausible, must give more room to feel this.
Love what you have written even though we might not see eye to eye, keep threading.